tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post4890816705823391542..comments2024-03-24T16:25:05.751-04:00Comments on Mayerson on Animation: The Vendor Client RelationshipMark Mayersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00065971589878678848noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-6219047375557826392009-06-01T12:45:38.229-04:002009-06-01T12:45:38.229-04:00A very fun video. I mentioned it to my dad who was...A very fun video. I mentioned it to my dad who was a big wig in Advertising in NYC from 1960 to the 1990s. He said, "This is like comparing apples to oranges because a hair cut has a set price, and there is no set price in advertising/animation, etc."<br /><br />No individual working in animation gets the same rate job to job or project to project. No two projects pay the same. The equation starts out with both parties agreeing to a price. And, yep, the client will try to get as much as possible out of the deal. And, the artist will try to please the client to get more work. But, when both sides are satisfied it can be a very happy equation. <br /><br />Anyone who buys into old myths that all clients are bad and all artists are heroes is deluding themselves. There are crooked artists and crooked clients.David B. Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12611160893518781463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-30329534511731623182009-05-30T11:36:12.179-04:002009-05-30T11:36:12.179-04:00"there is always a production house that will take..."there is always a production house that will take less money and less time and overwork their staff to do whatever it takes to enable controlling, lowballing clients."<br /><br />You've just described the animation industry in Vancouver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-50765141963852411082009-05-29T23:05:49.967-04:002009-05-29T23:05:49.967-04:00I did a little experiment. I felt like the rate I...I did a little experiment. I felt like the rate I was asking for work was barely marginal- only something I would do for a short time to get a foot hold and figure out how to market my hard-earned skills. In order to measure the other suppliers out there and see what kind of hike might be possible, I made a fake ad with the bait of a tempting-sounding job. Yeah, a little dirty, but it's market research. <br /><br />With very few exceptions, all of the dozens and dozens of responses were asking the same very marginal rate. Some of them had mega experience. Who pays their rent like this? Who pays for one of those ridiculously expensive school degrees? The burnout rate must be tremendous. I started a different kind of business and treat this stuff as part-time work I only do if I want to now- depending on it would be insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-74293677362896262972009-05-29T11:44:33.283-04:002009-05-29T11:44:33.283-04:00"Now, there are so many facilities in comparison t...<I>"Now, there are so many facilities in comparison to what was available in Zander's day <B>there is always a production house that will take less money and less time and overwork their staff to do whatever it takes to enable controlling, lowballing clients</B>."</I>-------<br /><br />And those people must be ostracized and driven out of our community. It's not about squelching "healthy competition" ... rather it's about unhealthy , cancerous competition (the way cancer cells "compete" with your healthy cells in the "free market" of your body) . These people are destroying us (and themselves , ultimately) , but they've already lost their souls, so that was their choice and they made it , but the rest of us don't have to work with them or tolerate them or encourage them by our silence.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-30890037226085418042009-05-29T10:20:10.274-04:002009-05-29T10:20:10.274-04:00Clients didn't used to be this way. There used to ...Clients didn't used to be this way. There used to be fewer production houses, and the clients allowed the production company to do their jobs. Jack Zander once told me "I have a lot to answer for. I was the first producer to allow the client to look at pencil tests and make changes at that stage."<br />Now, there are so many facilities in comparison to what was available in Zander's day there is always a production house that will take less money and less time and overwork their staff to do whatever it takes to enable controlling, lowballing clients.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-47372299930597454202009-05-28T08:06:58.861-04:002009-05-28T08:06:58.861-04:00They left out the one where the client decides upo...They left out the one where the client decides upon seeing the final animated production - that "maybe the lead character shouldn't be wearing a sweater".<br /><br />CLIENT:<br />Just reshoot it - and have her not wearing the sweater.<br /><br />HAPLESS PRODUCER (ME):<br />But it's animated. We'd... We'd have to redraw the whole episode...<br /><br />CLIENT:<br />Okay. How much will that cost?<br /><br />They never paid for the revision.Steve Schnierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01766696319640794064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-89498787605994920942009-05-27T23:54:58.202-04:002009-05-27T23:54:58.202-04:00Oh dear...
So many flashbacks, so little time. An...Oh dear...<br /><br />So many flashbacks, so little time. And the sad thing is- while the rest of the world sees how patently offensive and ridiculous it all is, artists keep falling for this stuff.Keith Langohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12496328772372705317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27501132.post-40304450409378087492009-05-27T23:16:15.185-04:002009-05-27T23:16:15.185-04:00This is....is...
painfully true.
*pinches nosebr...This is....is...<br /><br />painfully true.<br /><br />*pinches nosebridge and cries a little*warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09034823254751468446noreply@blogger.com